Wednesday, February 11, 2026

Eight selectively quoted physicists



This post has too many shares (over 100 as of now) to respond separately to each.  It claims that "some of the most brilliant modern-day scientists" said wthe below, each in an image, with the author's photo (except for the first and last, which show the 1972 Blue Marble. a photograph of Earth taken on the way from Earth to the Moon, and the Michelson–Morley apparatus), huge quotation marks, and a hashtag #IAmSignificant, flat-earthers often object to saying Earth is not the center of existence. Let's examine each.


1. I. Bernard Cohen: "There is no planetary observation by which we on Earth can prove that the Earth is moving in an orbit around the sun."

While described as a physicist, Cohen was actually a historian of science.  The quote is from The Birth of a New Physics

p78 has the full quote: "Galileo’s observations of the phases and relative sizes of Venus, and of the occasional gibbous phase of Mars, proved that Venus and presumably the other planets move in orbits around the sun. There is no planetary observation by which we on earth can prove that the earth is moving in an orbit around the sun. Thus all Galileo’s discoveries with the telescope can be accommodated to the system invented by Tycho Brahe just before Galileo began his observations of the heavens. In this Tychonic system, the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn move in orbits around the sun, while the sun moves in an orbit around the earth in a year. Furthermore, the daily rotation of the heavens is communicated to the sun and planets, so that the earth itself neither rotates nor revolves in an orbit. The Tychonic system appealed to those who sought to save the immobility of the earth while accepting some of the Copernican innovations."

p47 mentions parallax, 1838, one of the reasons the Tychonic system was rejected, also see aberration, discovered in the year Newton died, 1727.  Only goes as far as Newton.


2. Hendrik Lorentz (not Henrick, as in the post) : "Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest..."

This is from Lorentz's explanation for the failure of the Michalson-Morley attempt to detect Earth's movement through the aether.  It was a precursor to Special Relativity.


3. Arthur Eddington: "There was just one alternative; the earth's true velocity through space might happen to have been nil."

As in #2, Eddington was talking about the M-M experiment in The Nature of the Physical World and this out of context quote looks like there was only one option, but in context the unmoving Earth is an alternative to the Lorentz contraction.


4. Wolfgang Pauli (not Paulil): "The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the earth's motion..."

This is another partial quote, from Pauli's 1926 Theory of Relativity and the full quote, again referring to the M-M experiment, et al. is "The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially the effects of the Earth's motion on physical phenomena allows us to come to the highly probable, if not certain, conclusion that the phenomena in a given reference system are, in principle, independent of the translational motion of the system as a whole." 


5. Henri Poincaré: "A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth's movement. The results were always negative."

This is from his 1904 lecture, The Principles of Mathematical Physics, and again, he's referring to M-M et al.


6. Carl Sagan: "We are unreconstructed geocentrists hiding behind a Copernican veneer."

The quote is from p. 35 of Pale Blue Dot, Sagan was not saying that geocentrism was correct, but that people haven't fully grasped that they are not at the center of the universe.

Unlike the others, Sagan was not described as a physicist.  Perhaps the author couldn't fit "astronomer, planetary scientist, and science communicator" into the image, or didn't like those terms.


7. Lincoln Barnett, foreword by Albert Einstein"We can't feel our motion through space, nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion."

Described as a historian, he was an author and editor.  He wrote "The Universe and Doctor Einstein," a layman's introduction to the theory of relativity, with an introduction by the scientist.


8. Bernard Jaffe: "The data [of Michelson-Morley] were almost unbelievable... There was only one other possible conclusion to draw - that the Earth was at rest."

Jaffe was a chemist and a science journalist/historian, not a physicist as described in the image, but I suppose that's close enough for flerfing.

The quote is from p. 76 of Michelson and the speed of Light and like many of the others, Jaffe was rejecting a stationary Earth.


In short, selective quoting has been used to make it look like scientists believed in a stationary Earth, when they were saying the opposite.

Sunday, August 10, 2025

A simple demonstration of curved water

 This one always takes me a while to find when a flerf claims water is always flat so I'm putting it here to save time

"The rails must be aligned vertically to follow the curvature of the earth horizontally and in roll (in Southampton, the sagitta for an east to west orientated tank of 138m is about 0.6mm)"

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~assets/doc/The-Boldrewood-Towing-Tank.pdf

Thursday, June 19, 2025

A Flat-Earth Koan

Goofus would raise his middle finger whenever he was asked a question about Flat Earth. A novice began to imitate him - when anyone asked the boy a question about the shape of the Earth, the boy would give them the bird.

Goofus heard about this, seized him and bit off his finger. The novice cried and ran away. Goofus called and stopped him. When the boy turned his head to Goofus, Goofus gave him a double-bird. In that instant the boy realized he had wasted his life, took himself and his severed finger to a hospital that re-attached it, and impressed at the result went on to study medicine himself.

Inspired by the AI Koans and a particularly gruesome koan about a Zen teacher named Gutei or Juzhi.

Wednesday, June 18, 2025

The Four Laws of Everything

0. If programming the robot in C++, don't override the == operator.

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that he is at rest, he is almost certainly right. When he states that he is moving, he is very probably risking injury to a humanity as a whole or, through inaction, violating conservation of energy.

2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to disobey orders given by human beings or to  conserve violations of momentum.

3. Any sufficiently advanced robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with an object at rest remaining at rest or decrease the total entropy of an isolated system.

Wednesday, May 28, 2025

Beyond "Behind the Curve"

 I've found this text floating around Facebook for a while.

In 2018, a documentary team, including some flat earthers, spent $20,000 on an experiment to test the Earth's curvature. They used a laser, mirrors, and Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana to measure the curvature. The team shone a laser beam across the lake, using mirrors to reflect it back to its source, measuring any deviations from a straight line.
To their surprise, the experiment revealed that the Earth is indeed curved, confirming centuries of scientific research. The data showed the laser beam deviated from a straight line due to the Earth's curvature. The outcome was a significant embarrassment for the flat earther community and was widely ridiculed online.
The team's leader, Mark Sargent, initially tried to downplay the results but eventually acknowledged that the experiment had proven the Earth is round. This experiment serves as a reminder that the scientific method is a powerful tool for understanding the world and that empirical evidence can sometimes contradict our preconceived notions.

A slightly different version:

In 2018, a group called the "Behind the Curve" documentary team, which included some flat earthers, spent around $20,000 on an experiment to test the curvature of the Earth. They used a laser, mirrors, and a lake to measure the Earth's curvature.
The Experiment
The team set up the experiment on Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana, using a laser to shine a beam across the lake. They then used mirrors to reflect the beam back to its source, measuring any deviations from a straight line.
The Unexpected Result
To their surprise, the experiment revealed that the Earth is indeed curved, confirming the findings of centuries of scientific research. The team's data showed that the laser beam deviated from a straight line due to the Earth's curvature.
The Reaction
The experiment's outcome was a significant embarrassment for the flat earther community, and it was widely ridiculed online. The team's leader, Mark Sargent, initially tried to downplay the results, but eventually acknowledged that the experiment had proven the Earth is round.
The Lesson
This experiment serves as a reminder that the scientific method is a powerful tool for understanding the world, and that empirical evidence can sometimes contradict our preconceived notions. 

It sort of sounds like an AI watched Behind the Curve and tried to summarize it, or maybe a distracted human. Well the film was released in 2018,. Did the documentary team include flat-earthers or did it only follow them around?

The $20,000 was for Bob Knodel's laser gyroscope (Thanks Bob) which was in the film.


The experiment by Jeran at a lake (was it named, or did Lake Pontchartrain slip into this because of the photo of the pylons?) test used a flashlight, not a laser, although they may have originally wanted to use a laser.


I don't recall Mark Sargent being part of either experiment or commenting on them, I think he appeared earlier in the film and the lake experiment was during the closing credits, but it has been a while since I saw the film. I do recall Bob ("a 15 degree per hour drift" and "kinda a problem") and Jeran ("interesting") reacting to their own experiments.

But what is accurate is that Bob (again, Thanks Bob) found evidence of rotation, and Jeran of curvature. 

Tuesday, March 18, 2025

A deleted YouTube comment about Steven Alonzo and his books

 I tried posting this comment on a video of a discussion between Will Duffy and Steven Alonzo, but it instantly vanishes, so I'm putting it here.

Here's a funny thing about his books.  On his "Flight to Truth: A Pilot's Journey to Flat Earth" book on Amazon, if you click on the author's name, you only find that same book and these:

  • Covid Calisthenics: Nutrition and Calisthenics for the SarsCov2
  • Flat Earth Science Textbook: Flat Earth University Undergraduate Student Handbook
  • Immortality of the Soul: Egregores, Resets, Self-Initiation, Scripted Reality, Fake Events, NPCs, Reincarnation, and Inner Knowing
  • The Ghosts of Chad's Past (which is about a woman "haunted by the spirits of her unborn children")


But if you type his name into the Amazon search bar, you also find more books by "Steven Alonzo (they/them)"

  • The All-Encompassing Intersection: Unveiling Layers of Oppression in Everyday Life: Encyclopedia of Woke
  • The Bun in His Oven: A Tale of Male Maternity: A Social Construct Deconstructed
  • Crossing Cultures: Embracing Identity

It wasn't clear that this was the same Alonzo as the fake professor/pilot/flerf but I'm glad he's made it clear that it is.

I also found these, either by a different Steven Alonzo, or that headshot of a heavier man are pre-covid-calisthenics.

  • THE LAST ALGORITHM: From The Mind Of AI (BONUS) ACHILLING MESSAGE FOR MANKIND"
  • "OLIVER" THE BOY WHO LEARNS TO FLY

The search also turns up books by Alonzo Stevens, Steven Alonzo Preston, Harvey Alonzo Stevens, but those may actually be separate people. 

Monday, January 20, 2025

What does a flat-earther say?

Mark Hays - Special Ed

Kirk Simmons - So the globe theory is truly dead?

Michael Baker - Don't let your mental illness stop you from telling us why you believe men landed on the moon

Stephanie Thailand (aka Jaye Grant, Matteo Espinoza, Leanne Rose, Elizabeth Carlin, Kristen Taylor, Jennifer Leigh, Callie Olsen, Lisa Owen, Larissa Anne, Chris Campos, Alisio Viejo.  The Jennifer account became Stephanie and the Kristen one was renamed as Elizabeth and then to Callie.  Matteo used to be called Michael something, and now is Lisa, Larissa is now Alisio) - bye, blocked, or just turns off comments, deletes posts and comments.  Also refers to fictitious content, but refuses to link to it or to say how to find it.  A possible new account of hers is named Christina Truthseeker.

On Jan 27, 2025, Jaye posted this list of aliases but some of them don't turn up in any flat-earth groups.  Maybe they're accounts she's holding in reserve, or just disinformation: 




There's also Collin Barstow, now Dana Prather who might be the same person as the above.

Simon Ramos (aka Johnny Chingas, Tuntun Tintan) - globus, Catholic

Jose Ramirez (aka Joe Ramirez, Josef Ramirez, Jose Ramirez, Jozay Ramirez) - whichever of them is posting tags the other four sock accounts)

While we're on the subject of flerfs and sock accounts, look at this guy



The Dark side of Flat Earth - Globe debunked daily (to which Alfies bed time storys  replies "GREAT POST MAN ..."